I am worried about hidden mechanics in comp mod.
Which new comp person ever reads a mod description?
Which new comp person ever starts digging on the forum?

Make a list or something and link it in the minimum need to know info, along with the rules so we can at least have a vague expectancy that people read it when they are new.

Well if I remember the introduction of gorge bunnyhop which was a new movement mechanic, everyone was quite happy about that. So I am all up for new movement mechanics (aslong as they are not restricting the old movement)

Mephilles says

Well if I remember the introduction of gorge bunnyhop which was a new movement mechanic, everyone was quite happy about that. So I am all up for new movement mechanics (aslong as they are not restricting the old movement)

Gorges were unfun to play with that terrible movement in vanilla and needed it, lerks don't. If it would be more like an extension to the existing movement though, it would be fine I guess. But don't change gameplay things for balance reasons please. We don't want to go the same route like PDT, do we?

If the intend is to buff lerks, change hitboxes again to their model seizes.

Lerks have flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap.... that is not fun.

Also the shift key could very well used for a real movement mechanic.

1. Do not change the movement for balance reasons. In Decks post it sounds like balance would be the reason they think about that kind of change. WHen you implement something like that, implement it because you want a better lerk movement and you want to improve gameplay. Balance is something that would need to happen afterwards when it plays fine.

What do people think about spores? Thinking about moving it to biomass 6 or 7, what are people's thoughts on that?

Also sg spread, is it at the right number? I like that the spread is a little more compact than vanilla, but is it a tad too weak right now?

Deck says

What do people think about spores? Thinking about moving it to biomass 6 or 7, what are people's thoughts on that?

Also sg spread, is it at the right number? I like that the spread is a little more compact than vanilla, but is it a tad too weak right now?

I can't comment on shotguns, because my aim is terribad. But the idea of moving spores to biomass 6 Is something i'd welcome. moving it to 7 seems a tad harsh imo, requiring a 3rd hive for it just seems a little much, its not exactly an OP-AF skill, I just think it comes into play a little too quickly.

In regards to Advanced Meta, I'm not against its removal, I'm just not sure fades need a nerf... and the removal of advanced meta is a nerf... it would lessen their effectiveness in combat later on, it would also mean not being able to remain relatively close to combat and instead having to retreat all the way to hive/crag/gorge which means more time going to/from important areas.
Put simply, I think the knock on effects of removing advanced meta aren't really worth its removal because some people think that its relatively weak self heal "doesn't fit the theme". If you can think of a way to balance the removal of advanced meta so that the impact of it being missing doesn't alter play too much, I would have no issue with its removal at all.

it would lessen their effectiveness in combat later on, it would also mean not being able to remain relatively close to combat and instead having to retreat all the way to hive/crag/gorge which means more time going to/from important areas.

Kash says

it would lessen their effectiveness in combat later on, it would also mean not being able to remain relatively close to combat and instead having to retreat all the way to hive/crag/gorge which means more time going to/from important areas.

That is exactly the reason why I don't like it, the advanced meta fade is able to trick the healing mechanisms of the game.
If you want to heal without those things the game offers the regen upgrade.

In terms of balance I think there are enough ways to compensate for that loss.
You could for example make fade HP scale more with biomass or you could make advanced meta a passive ability only (what I believe meta should be anyway) that once it is researched, buffs fades HP a bit.

Aaah but thats the point bauer.
I know its 'just hop'. I know the sideway sliding is in vanilla, amoung other speed tricks.
The point is DO NEW PEOPLE KNOW.

Also if noone points it out somewhere you can question stuff like:
* I go faster if I hop, is this the fastest the comp mod change can specific go?

@Kash, I know man. Old old news.


Point im trying to make, is that new players do not know where to dig for this info. It should be linked amoung the rules and that be that.

Can we talk about contamination too? I would really like seeing it removed, also are there any plans to make new Bio 9 abilities in comp mod yet or was that an idea towards UWE only?

Home says

Can we talk about contamination too? I would really like seeing it removed, also are there any plans to make new Bio 9 abilities in comp mod yet or was that an idea towards UWE only?

Contamination is something I've discussed with people. I don't want to change how it is now unless we added biomass 9 abilities for all alien life forms. I don't think that is really something comp should be doing, so I would rather have UWE do it. I think it would make the game have a better ending for aliens in that situation than contamination which is not as much fun at the end. As it is currently, I know people think contamination is too op'd and not fun. I agree, but I don't want to change it at this point because I think aliens need a super op thing to help end games if they get to biomass 9.

It sounds like the main issue with biomass 9 is contamination. So we might as well consider changing how long it takes to research that ability. We can probably set that to whatever we want, and give the marines more time to get the 3rd hive down if that is a better way to go. Let's discuss.

Deck says

Home says

Can we talk about contamination too? I would really like seeing it removed, also are there any plans to make new Bio 9 abilities in comp mod yet or was that an idea towards UWE only?

Contamination is something I've discussed with people. I don't want to change how it is now unless we added biomass 9 abilities for all alien life forms. I don't think that is really something comp should be doing, so I would rather have UWE do it. I think it would make the game have a better ending for aliens in that situation than contamination which is not as much fun at the end. As it is currently, I know people think contamination is too op'd and not fun. I agree, but I don't want to change it at this point because I think aliens need a super op thing to help end games if they get to biomass 9.

It sounds like the main issue with biomass 9 is contamination. So we might as well consider changing how long it takes to research that ability. We can probably set that to whatever we want, and give the marines more time to get the 3rd hive down if that is a better way to go. Let's discuss.

easiest fix for contamination delay would be to make it a researchable comm ability rather than a "you have biomass 9, you get this too". that way delaying it is as simple as increasing/decreasing the build time of the research.

Kash says

Deck says

Home says

Can we talk about contamination too? I would really like seeing it removed, also are there any plans to make new Bio 9 abilities in comp mod yet or was that an idea towards UWE only?

Contamination is something I've discussed with people. I don't want to change how it is now unless we added biomass 9 abilities for all alien life forms. I don't think that is really something comp should be doing, so I would rather have UWE do it. I think it would make the game have a better ending for aliens in that situation than contamination which is not as much fun at the end. As it is currently, I know people think contamination is too op'd and not fun. I agree, but I don't want to change it at this point because I think aliens need a super op thing to help end games if they get to biomass 9.

It sounds like the main issue with biomass 9 is contamination. So we might as well consider changing how long it takes to research that ability. We can probably set that to whatever we want, and give the marines more time to get the 3rd hive down if that is a better way to go. Let's discuss.

easiest fix for contamination delay would be to make it a researchable comm ability rather than a "you have biomass 9, you get this too". that way delaying it is as simple as increasing/decreasing the build time of the research.

Well I know nothing about alien commander because I just assumed it was a research ability. Doesn't make any sense that it's not to me. Yes, that is what we need.

Potential ideas for comp mod after the season:
2) change marine upgrades so it's not clear that armor 2 is the best way to go

3) change biomass needed to get spores

6) remove advanced metab