also add researchable 20% acc aimbot to help out lower div marines
doesnt even sound like a stupid idea compared to all the other things i've seen suggested so far

- Our goal is to make gathers and the ns2 comp community less toxic and more inviting.

@lemonsoda
Even IF, and that is a BIG IF, even if UWE and NSL were to work together from now on out, you know, designing future versions of the game together, making balance choices together, having comp mod as some kind of a testing ground for possible future changes, etc etc (which all in all is literally not going to happen because we've seen over the course of 6 years how much UWE values their competitive scene) ....
even IF those things were to happen, it wouldnt realistically help the comp community much. EVEN IF this were to bring 50% of the current pub playerbase to the ensl, it wouldnt increase the count of high skill players.
If there are any players with potential out there that are looking to play the game comptitively they'd probably already be here and play gathers every now and then.
The actual problem is the tiny playerbase of the game and that's never going to change at this point, it's just too late.
The comp community have done their part of the last few years trying to retain their own playerbase, up until now.
In the light last season's failure, the current admin team want to try a different approach and put all their hope into UWE helping them out, sacrificing the current playerbase for it. That's my view on all of this anyway, I don't know what exactly the thoughts behind these decisions are...

While I enjoyed reading these thoughtfull posts I just want to chime in on something.
The NSL being toxic and new players not being able to join. Just lol.

The state of the competitive scene has nothing to do with the scene being too toxic,
Players just moved on.
Pussies talking about our community having been too toxic should try out shit tier overwatch / cs / dota and they will see what toxicity is.

I joined when there were 60 teams or so EU / NA combined during S2, a part of luck was involved to be able to play the EU Open and the NS2WC lans, but what mostly made the difference was the countless hours of grinding, drilling, working on my aim and positioning.
I didn't ask top players to hold my hand, I asked them to 1v1 me, destroy me and improve the player I was.

People were not or are not more toxic than in any over competitive scene.

Post NS2WC most of the scene left the game , not just the top players, lower div players left too.
The game is reaching the end of it's life, it allready lost most of it's player base and it has been showing in the team numbers since season 3.
It's nothing new and it surely is not because "oh my god the scene is toxic waah waah wah" shut the fuck up.

Give me a break. It's not that new players *can't* join, it's that *some of them* are discouraged from doing so. Plenty of people have said this to me. It's obviously true.



I think it's a waste of time to focus on whether or not the nsl is a toxic community. What matters is that there is a widespread *perception* that the nsl is toxic among the wider ns2 community, and that this discourages some people from joining the comp scene. I don't understand how anyone could really deny that. Whether or not anything can be done to change that perception, or whether changing that perception will lead to new comp players at this point, are different and harder questions. You seem to think that changing the perception won't matter at this point. Maybe you're right, but in my opinion it still seems reasonable for y'all to try.

Either you want to play a game competitively or you dont. Toxicity doesn't stop cs players from using soloqueue in the most toxic ranks, it doesn't stop dota players from playing the game at all (seriously i was fucking amazed by the level of toxicity when i first played dota a couple months ago).

YOU give ME a break hobbes with your wannabe super understanding link between comp and pub community. People that get upset by words said by strangers on the internet don't belong on the internet, or at least don't belong in any place here that lets them interact with other people. They should stay away from ns2, cs, dota, roblox, or any other multiplayer game.

The pool of potential competitive players is exhausted, the ns2 playerBASE is not growing anymore. There IS no way of pulling more players from pubs into competitive, because those that remain just aren't made for it.

For some reason, you seem to really want to disagree with me and say that there is *absolutely no chance* of getting *any* pubbers into comp. You are defending silly extremes just to disagree with me. I'm not sure why.

Unless of course you want a league to turn into a playground for kids. Then you might be able to recruit a couple more div 4 players. Will that really benefit a game competitively though?

p.s. no youre just wrong!